Monday, February 4, 2013

The Realist Report with John Friend


On this edition of The Realist Report, we'll be joined by William Finck of Christogenea.org to discuss the origins, migrations, and history of the European peoples and Western civilization generally. Where do modern Europeans have their origins? What is our true history? These and related questions will be discussed. You can download the entire program here, or subscribe to Truth Militia via iTunes here.

Sorry for the abrupt ending tonight folks. Skype dropped the call, and once that happened the show apparently ended automatically.

57 comments:

  1. I would really encourage folks to check out Bill's website and read some of his essay on this topic. Also, he has done numerous podcasts on these subjects.

    For a pro-Pagan perspective, check out these links:

    http://www.vaidilute.com/asatru.html

    http://www.vaidilute.com/library.html

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    1. John,

      You and Bill Finck are serious bright lights cutting through a dark landscape.

      On the one hand, you provide a reasoned approach to issues. And on the other hand, Finck also provides a reasoned approach to issues.

      I wonder if you guys might consider joining forces?

      Finck's perspective of history makes a heck of lot more sense to me than anything else I have been exposed to throughout my schooling.

      Even if an observer does not agree with a prophetic message of the historical study of our people as presented by Bill Finck - they will benefit from the historical study.

      You guys are solid.

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    2. Well thank you, I really appreciate that. And I'm sure Bill would as well.

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    3. If I was a Hasbarah troll I would encourage you to sign on to the wacko theories of Bill Finck and his whites only agenda, by doing so I would ensure you would stay marginalized. CI theories are on par with the UFO trash promoted on Coast to Coast with George Noory, ex Naval intelligence officer/propagandist.

      The Bible is not reliable as history, Bill makes the opposite claim saying "its a pretty reliable book", sorry Bill it isn't. The Bible history is spun just as the news is today. Do you believe in the official story of 911 or Sandy Hook? Same people are doing the spinning, weaving a tale they want you to believe for their political agenda. The Bible is exactly the same as is the Holocaust. Its a tale used to advance the enemies agenda.

      The Rabbinic writers are liars and plagiarists, the central story of the Torah is Moses and his migration out of Egypt. The Jews invaded (Hittites) and infiltrated the state then stole the wealth of Egypt then fled but they spin it as if they were slaves and victims fleeing for freedom when the were fleeing with everything they could steal.

      Some day when America is a smoking pile of rubble the Jews will write that they were oppressed minority living in Babylon America and had to leave from all the persecution then Yahwey sent his angels down and burned the Christian heretics with magic. The story that will be told will be 100% opposite of what actually happened, they will never admit that they infiltated the state and got America to engage in wars against its interest or turned Christian America upside down into Babylon through Hollywood and porn, they will never admit that they awarded themselves 30 trillion after the 2008 bailout caused by their fiat money system. It is a big error to think the Bible is accurate history.

      The god part is 100% myth, the god is a psychopath and shouldn't be worshiped or emulated, one of the first primary stories is of a pyschopathic father who takes his son up to the mountain and is told by voices in his head to kill his oldest son. Likewise the new testament story of Jesus is suspect since the characteristics match previous sun gold cults.

      There are no special chosen people, the jewish race is fiction, hebrews are a collection of tribes, modern Israel is an abomination based on the insanity of the Torah and Talmud.

      So why in the name of all that is good would any white man want to associate with anything in the Bible? Because people like Bill Finck are trying to be in the same status as the Jew, he wants to be special, he believes in the Jewish god and thus beds in the enemies camp.

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    4. I listened to a couple of interviews to William F. and when referring to his ideas and interpretation of the story of the connection of the "true Israel" with the great European peoples and being the main theory that the "true tribes of Israel" gave birth to the Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans, Celts, Scandinavians, Germanic tribes, etc. then one must think how could be the progression on founding a new people at a certain territory and how it could be accomplished; I suppose that the "true Israel tribes" had certain ideas, values, culture, customs that gave them some identity thus I also suppose that they logically strive to keep their traditions as we know most the European people did along the history. Thus according to William F. story and based on reality one must conclude that when those "true Israelites" founded or contributed to found a "new people" they lose all their previous traditions and history? and mainly the most powerful tradition and history of all that would be the spiritual one manifested with the word of God?.

      Putting the religious or biblical story apart there are many esoteric traditions that explains the origin of the European people, Greeks, Celts and the origins of the Aryan people or Aryan age. when trying to account the origins of the races one needs to go deeper and to a new whole level of understanding.

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    5. Yukon Jack,

      Is it good for Whites?

      I am not in the "troof" movement.

      I am in the "FREEDOM MOVEMENT".

      I am pro-White. My Nation is White people who seek self determination.

      What are you about?

      The enemy does indeed use divide-and-conquer when ever and where ever possible.

      John Friend can do what ever he wants.

      I ask: "IS IT GOOD FOR WHITES?"

      That's all I'm concerned about at this time.

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    6. Yukon Jack represents people who like Michael Rivero live in a scientific utopia that will never try IN GOOD FAITH to make sense of History over [through] the millineal FOG BANKS...manufactured by the lying pen of the scribe

      Mullins' book The Curse of Canaan is a good start, or just re-reading the Old Testament to find a yiddish speaking GOG & MAGOG "jew" with a Talmud....

      http://adask.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/18589/

      stupid will never change true, and it is an incontrovertible FACT that the Jewish State calling itself Israel has as it's majority population base of so-called "jews" gog & magog JAPHETIC proselytes to talmudic Judaism...an Anti-Israelite = HATE TRUTH so-called Religion....a BELIEF SYSTEM of no truth = LIES...!!!

      http://www.israelect.com/reference/Willie-Martin/

      making a Yukon Jack a Yukon Joke...yuk yuk...eh ?

      Davy

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    7. John Friend, you seem to be like a getalong guy and know a lot of WN leaders, why don't you all organize some in real life meetings of internet activists to set up some REAL organisation. These internet statements are all right and just, but are empty as gelding's nutsack without any real action.

      Maybe in limits of one country, lets say once a year to talk about REAL strategies. Like organizing marches to state capital to confront these Occupy bastards? I see that internet activism has reached to dead end because of all the jew censoring.

      It's time to move, because times are more then desperate, if we really want to make end to white genocide.

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    8. Yukon Jack, you are making a lot of claims against the Bible and Bill Finck, but you have yet to legitimately dispute one single thing he said. Where do the people of Europe - our ancestors, assuming you are White - come from? What is their history? I've heard Bill's and read some of his articles, what is your theory? His makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than anything else I've read, regardless as to what you personally think about the Bible.

      You write:

      "Because people like Bill Finck are trying to be in the same status as the Jew, he wants to be special, he believes in the Jewish god and thus beds in the enemies camp."

      That just isn't true man, but you guys keep repeating it, everywhere I go. "CI is Judaism for Whites" blah blah blah... That is a totally dishonest characterization of CI, and you and every other honest person reading this KNOWS IT.

      Do you believe in being an honest man who cares about and sacrifices for his family, community, and nation? Do you think it would be a good idea for us Whites to have our own nation, control our own affairs, develop our own culture - as White people separate from others? Are you on board with these ideas? If so, why are you ignorantly bashing CI? It is counterproductive and unnecessary. If you disagree with the man's analysis of where the European people come from, please explain. If not, I don't want to waste any more time with this discussion.

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    9. @John Friend et al

      Many of us in the patriot movement woke up to Jewish treachery after 911, but we are not racist, we are not exclusionistic, we don't want to live in a regimented fascist or National Socialist society, WE WILL NEVER USE THE WORDS NIGGER OR KIKE. We are speaking out against anyone who is trying to steer this movement into the blind alley, the dead end of racism.

      This morning Charlie Giuliani responds to Keith's attack from Truth Militia, the first few minutes sums up exactly how I feel:

      k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/18k73v69ej/truth_hertz_with_charles_giuliani_2013.02.07.mp3

      I like Hitler, I consider him to be the greatest man in modern history, he is like Christ because he recognized the Jew as the enemy and started a movement against them. Some call him an incarnation of Vishnu. But it is a fantasy to think we are going to revive national socialism in America, for one thing we are multicultural, there can be no unifying based on the fatherland, that is impossible for America.

      And we shouldn't want socialism anyways because it is a form of collectivism. I would describe myself as an anarchist Libertarian, I want less government, I do not believe in the authority of the state. This movement should be about going toward increasing freedom, not regimentation. In order to get freedom again we must stop the Jew and his treachery. It is not about other races, the Latinoes and Blacks are not a threat, they do not have political power or make dictates concerning my life.

      I find Bill Finck an obnoxious religious ass. I can't even listen to him, I actually hate him. Why? When he was debating Charlie what does he do? He brings up the authority of the Bible and Yahwey. He says if we would only do what Yahwey commands then Yahwey we wouldn't be punished. Ideas like that repulse me, make me want to wring Finck's neck, here is this nutcase who can't even get his mind free of the Jew Bible, here is this guy jumping into the middle of patriot debate with his twisted white only Christian separatist philosophy, and there you are giving him air time. Do you buy this Bible indoctrination, these Bible memes of a god who micromanages humanity, who has a plan for humanity? Do you think the Bible account of God is true? Do you think heaven or hell is true? Do you buy the primary memes in the Bible?

      If you do then you wasted your money life on a college education. A primary problem with America is this huge Evangelical movement, heavily aligned with CUFI, Zionist to the core, against reason and science. They believe the earth is 6,000 years old, they think a creator created us and is testing us or watching us. Its primitive superstition and the book that makes them that way is the Jew book about Yahwey.

      To hell with the Jews and to hell with William Finck and his Bible interpretations, he is trying to get in the supremacist position, he is keeping the Bible alive. The Bible has to go, it is the core problem of our civilization, the Bible is what destroyed Europe and turned it into a Jew whorehouse. The Jews took the world by stepping on the rock of Christianity. Christians are tools of the Jew, they are owned, they are slaves.

      Christians are peoples who have had their history erased and supplanted with Jewish identity. Christians give their children Bible names, they frame their reality in terms of Bible stories, they are judgmental because they believe in a judgmental god. The entire legal system of the west is identical to the mind of the Jew. Giuliani is right, a Christian is a Judaized gentile.

      Anyone who believes in the Bible god Yahwey is the enemy, anyone promoting Yahwey is a proxy Rabbi.

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    10. Yukon Jack, I do not use derogatory terms either, I think it's counterproductive and immature to be quite frank. I understand others do, and while I don't think it's necessary, I'm not going to get bent out of shape about it. I try to keep those words off my blog and out of my radio programs the best I can. I generally agreed with what Giuliani had to say this morning about using these words.

      You seem to have a personal or emotional problem with the Bible, and are unable to objectively deal with religious issues and religious perspectives. You admitted you hated Finck, the Bible, Christianity, etc and won't even hear what the man has to say. That is your problem, not mine.

      Again, I will ask you:

      Do you believe in being an honest man who cares about and sacrifices for his family, community, and nation? Do you think it would be a good idea for us Whites to have our own nation, control our own affairs, develop our own culture - as White people separate from others? Are you on board with these ideas? If so, why are you ignorantly bashing CI? It is counterproductive and unnecessary. If you disagree with the man's analysis of where the European people come from, please explain. If not, I don't want to waste any more time with this discussion.

      If you can address the questions above, please feel free to comment.

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  2. I'll second the comment by anonymous at 9:01PM.

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  3. John,

    I really enjoy listening to your interviews. Ditto Bill Finck's Christogenea programs.

    Best regards,

    Phil

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  4. Hey Aservant and Phil, thank you very much, your comments are very much appreciated.

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    1. You're welcome John, keep it up!

      Your mature and non-conflictive demeanor and approach is in short supply and badly needed among us fighting for the truth.

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  5. John,

    Excellent show with Bill. His historical research is fascinating and he's certainly a brilliant man.
    I do however wish callers could have stuck to the topic of history and migration.

    That said I will make it perfectly clear I am in 100% opposition to ALL religion.

    I am in agreement with Bill's excellent and supported detective research on European migration for the time period discussed tonight.

    I find it odd however Bill does not address WHY there was so much migration occurring at that time.

    WHAT exactly caused the large gap in history he referred to.

    WHAT caused the ice age in northern region not allowing people to survive there when he admits people lived in this region 25,000 years earlier (which I agree with)

    WHAT exactly caused the change in the ice age to allow people to now migrate north.

    Bill's historical work focuses on lineage and migration. My long term research focuses on why.

    I also agree with Bill that the people living in this region today are not necessarily direct descendants of people there 25,000 years earlier. It appears they are not.

    Lonnie.

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    1. I find it very interesting Truth Militia removed a copy of my post above from their site.

      Is it offensive?

      Is it anti CI?

      Is it pro CI?

      Is it anti white racialism?

      It's not even disagreeing with Bill or John.

      None of the above. It's just questioning the REASONS for the migration of Europeans. Is that not the topic at hand?

      Strange indeed.

      Lonnie.

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    2. Thanks Lonnie, excellent questions in your first comment.

      Hmmm... maybe your comment went to spam over at TM?

      http://truthmilitia.com/2013/02/04/the-realist-report-with-john-friend-live-tonight-900pm-est/

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  6. Mr. Friend

    I have listened to this as I said I would, with a more or less critical approach; and while historically correct, his interpretations are the problem. The 'gap time' he talks about is not at all consistant with archeological findings. A cursory review of this to fact alone is enough to throw into question everything else. Scandinavia became free of ice at the end of the last ice age, around 11,000 BC. At that time, a hunter gatherer people, the Ahrensburg culture, appear. Finds of arrow and bow date to this culture, preceded by the Hamburg culture (13,500-11,100 BC) and the Federmesser culture (12000 -- 10800 BC) of the Northern European Plain from Poland to northern France. Eventually 8000 BC the Mesolithic Cultures developed.

    Further back, 40,000—35,000 BCE Cro-Magnon appear in Europe. Aurignacian culture creates 'Venus of Hohle Fels' and the first flutes in Germany.

    18,000 BCE Solutrean (France) and Epi Gravettian (Balkans and Italy) cultures. Solutreans have an indirect relationship to the Swiderian culture in Poland.

    9500 BC–6500 BC Maglemosian culture in early Mesolithic period in Northern Europe was succeeded by the Kongemose culture. The name came from site in Denmark where the first settlement was found. During the following century a long series of similar settlements were excavated from England to Poland and from Skåne in Sweden to northern France.

    16,000 -- 8,000 BCE. Magdalenian cultures extending from France, Central Germany to eastern Poland. Later phases of the Magdalenian are also synonymous with the human re-settlement of north-western Europe. AMS radiocarbon dating. * Charles, R. (1996): Back into the North: Radiocarbon evidence for the Human Recolonisation of the North... Map of expansion: http://blog.ylib.com/public/Utilities/ImageReader.aspx?/0/6/0640b2b6-015d-497d-8a14-3790e6cc78fb.jpg
    Also, consider the 13,000 to 11,000 BCE remains of "Magdalenian Girl".

    Another point: living a hunter-gatherers cycle, is not condusive to building 'civilization'. Terrain was not suitable for agriculture.

    Swifterbant culture (5300 – 3400 BC), Rössen Culture (4,600–4,300 BC).

    Kongemose culture in southern Scandinavia 6000 BC–5200 BC. Then replaced by the Ertebølle culture in Southern Scandinavia (5300 BC – 3950 BC)
    Fosna-Hensbacka culture (8300 BC - 7300 BC) followed by Nøstvet culture (6200 BC-3200 BC), then by Funnelbeaker culture (4000–2700 BC) and Pitted Ware culture (3200 BC– 2300 BC), Corded Ware culture, etc etc.

    5500–4500 BC Linear Pottery culture: Excavations at Oslonki in Poland (dating to 4300 B.C) revealed a large fortified settlement covering an area of 4,000 sq m. Nearly thirty trapezoidal longhouses and over eighty graves make it one of the richest such settlements in archaeological finds from all of central Europe.

    To put this into context: Timeline of Biblical Events.
    2200 BC Abram and Sarai
    2091 BC God Sends Abram to Egypt
    1250 BC Moses, the Exodus wilderness
    931-722 BC writing of much Torah text

    Yes, there were White/Aryan people in the Levant. For instance Sumer was settled between 4500 and 4000 BC by a non-Semitic people.

    Mallory's In Search of the Indo-Europeans was mentioned, which favours the Russian steppes or Ukraine (Kurgan hypothesis), as do most scholars, and argues quite well against the usual alternative theory of an Anatolian origin.

    In short, the expansions of the 'Kurgan culture' (Proto-Aryans) were a series of essentially hostile, military incursions where a new warrior elite culture imposed itself on the peaceful, matriarchal cultures of "Old Europe", replacing it with a patriarchal warrior society and the worship of the sun and the warlike Thunderer (Zeus, Dyaus, Thor etc). They also brandish the Swastika very proudly.

    Well, I'll end it now, getting too long.

    Interesting take at http://thewhitenetwork.com/category/age-of-treason-radio/
    Listen to "Race and Anthropology" and/or "Race and Genetics"

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    1. Mike,

      ......so anyway - I'd love to see you prove your timeline with facts and scientific data.

      Making a list is great and all...

      But, I have to ask this question:

      "Is it good for White People?"

      You see, Mike - we have a very, very serious problem and our entire race is under attack. Not saying I don't care about your list of dates there - but we have some tangible threats to White people to deal with HERE and NOW.

      That is what I want to see dealt with.

      Is it good for White People and the Future of White Kids?

      That's what I concerned with.

      Enjoy your archeology. Buh bye!

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    2. John, I hope you remove the first post I made. I accidently pressed 'preview' the first time I commented.

      Anon, I ommitted much because I didn't want my comment to not get posted because of its length. Now, there are multiple sites in Scotland and Ireland alone, oldest being around 3700 BC settlements and tombs, much older that Egypt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_oldest_buildings_in_the_world

      The dates and cultures I haphazardly provided can easily be verified by archaeological remains and radiocarbon evidence. The King's Grave near Kivik, Sweden; 1390–1370 BC Egtved Girl; and the 'Venus of Hohle Fels' more recently discovered etc, can easily be reviewed.

      "Is it good for White People?"
      Yes, I believee it's good to know our actual origins and rediscover our ancient values, virtues and customs - to put it succinctly.
      Being an novice to the 'racial angle', perhaps I didn't think of it that way, that we as a people have a 'serious problem'. Yet, I'm getting acquited with what you see as 'threats' and I agree.

      "Is it good for White People and the Future of White Kids?
      " Yes, only a people who know their past can determine their future.

      Thanks, I do enjoy my archeology, that is my field of study at Uni. after all.

      All the best

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    3. Thank you Mike for setting out this timeline

      can anyone refute the facts that Mike has presented which if correct would seem to completely debunk the case mr finck presented on the show)

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    4. Hey Mike, I'll just leave the comment above because it would be too confusing at this point to remove it. I've been busy with other things, or else I would have deleted it before all these other comments showed up.

      I think you make some interesting points, would you like to have a discussion with Finck about it?

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    5. No problem, John. I just thought you would be bothered by it.

      One point; if ancient Greek literature doesn't mention settlements of hunter-gatheres up north, it doesn't mean they didn't exists. Every archaeologist would scoff at such sugestion. However, Greek literature mentions 'Thule', which btw the Technical University of Berlin concluded is the Norwegian island Smola. * http://www.amazon.de/Germania-die-Insel-Thule-Entschl%C3%BCsselung/dp/3534237579

      And the Sredny Stog culture 4500-3500 BC, from which the proto-Scythians and cimmerians orginate probably migrated there as hunter gatherers from the much older cultures west... based on my own studies, I think there were at least three cro-magnon (proto-aryan) major invasions.

      Thanks for the offer, John. But with much respect I must decline. Having heard his background during the show and me wanting to go far in life, I think you can understand why. However, I'd have no problem discussing it further with you, if you are interested.

      I see that christianity is your latest topic of discussion. I must say that you are fair on the religious issue, because you don't dismiss peganism yet like more christians do.

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    6. I posted this comment on another blog and meant to post it here too, but forgot until now. Here it is:

      The major claim here is that the White European peoples migrated to Europe from the Middle East and Central Asia. Ancient Classical writers, biblical records, archeology, and other sources attest to this. Can anyone legitimately dispute this?

      http://christogenea.org/PhoeniciansIndex

      http://christogenea.org/GreekIsraelites

      http://christogenea.org/ScythianOrigins

      The Phoenicians settled the Mediterranean, Iberia, the coast and river valleys of France, the British Isles, Scandinavia, etc. And the Scythians migrated from what is now the area roughly between the Black Sea and Caspian Sea and southward to Germany and Central Europe. I think I have that just about right anyways. Is there any other legitimate explanation for the settlement of Europe?

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    7. Last comment. Good lord, I read what could be read in the urls you posted and sorry, but anyone with a modicum of archeological knowledge would have not take this seriously at all.. In short, yes it can be legitimately "disputed" even debunk, but why bother... Its clearly not about science or archeology, but About religion... Good luck disputing that.

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  7. Mr. Friend

    I have listened to this as I said I would, with a more or less critical approach; and while historically correct, his interpretations are the problem. The 'gap time' he talks about is not at all consistant with archeological findings. A cursory review of this to fact alone is enough to throw into question everything else. Scandinavia became free of ice at the end of the last ice age, around 11,000 BC. At that time, a hunter gatherer people, the Ahrensburg culture, appear. Findings of arrow and bow date to this culture, preceded by the Hamburg culture (13,500-11,100 BC) and the Federmesser culture (12000 -- 10800 BC) of the Northern European Plain from Poland to northern France. Eventually 8000 BC the Mesolithic Cultures developed.

    Further back, 40,000—35,000 BCE Cro-Magnon appear in Europe. Aurignacian culture creates 'Venus of Hohle Fels' and the first flutes in Germany.

    18,000 BCE Solutrean (France) and Epi Gravettian (Balkans and Italy) cultures. Solutreans have an indirect relationship to the Swiderian culture in Poland.

    9500 BC–6500 BC Maglemosian culture in early Mesolithic period in Northern Europe was succeeded by the Kongemose culture. The name came from site in Denmark where the first settlement was found. During the following century a long series of similar settlements were excavated from England to Poland and from Skåne in Sweden to northern France.

    16,000 -- 8,000 BCE. Magdalenian cultures extending from France, Central Germany to eastern Poland. Later phases of the Magdalenian are also synonymous with the human re-settlement of north-western Europe. AMS radiocarbon dating. * Charles, R. (1996): Back into the North: Radiocarbon evidence for the Human Recolonisation of the North... Map of expansion: http://blog.ylib.com/public/Utilities/ImageReader.aspx?/0/6/0640b2b6-015d-497d-8a14-3790e6cc78fb.jpg
    Also, consider the 13,000 to 11,000 BCE remains of "Magdalenian Girl".

    Another point: living a hunter-gatherers cycle, is not condusive to building 'civilization'. Terrain was not suitable for agriculture.

    Swifterbant culture (5300 – 3400 BC), Rössen Culture (4,600–4,300 BC).

    Kongemose culture in southern Scandinavia 6000 BC–5200 BC. Then replaced by the Ertebølle culture in Southern Scandinavia (5300 BC – 3950 BC)
    Fosna-Hensbacka culture (8300 BC - 7300 BC) followed by Nøstvet culture (6200 BC-3200 BC), then by Funnelbeaker culture (4000–2700 BC) and Pitted Ware culture (3200 BC– 2300 BC), Corded Ware culture, etc etc.

    5500–4500 BC Linear Pottery culture: Excavations at Oslonki in Poland (dating to 4300 B.C) revealed a large fortified settlement covering an area of 4,000 sq m. Nearly thirty trapezoidal longhouses and over eighty graves make it one of the richest such settlements in archaeological finds from all of central Europe.

    To put this into context: Timeline of Biblical Events.
    2200 BC Abram and Sarai
    2091 BC God Sends Abram to Egypt
    1250 BC Moses, the Exodus wilderness
    931-722 BC writing of much Torah text

    Yes, there were White/Aryan people in the Levant. For instance Sumer was settled between 4500 and 4000 BC by a non-Semitic people.

    Mallory's In Search of the Indo-Europeans was mentioned, which favours the Russian steppes or Ukraine (Kurgan hypothesis), as do most scholars, and argues quite well against the usual alternative theory of an Anatolian origin.

    In short, the expansions of the 'Kurgan culture' (Proto-Aryans) were a series of essentially hostile, military incursions where a new warrior elite culture imposed itself on the peaceful, matriarchal cultures of "Old Europe", replacing it with a patriarchal warrior society and the worship of the sun and the warlike Thunderer (Zeus, Dyaus, Thor etc). They also brandish the Swastika very proudly.

    Well, I'll to end it now, getting too long.

    Interesting take at http://thewhitenetwork.com/category/age-of-treason-radio/
    Listen to "Race and Anthropology" and/or "Race and Genetics"

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    1. I would like to know how you can be so confident when speaking of numbers that extend back over 10 thousand years ago. My understanding of commonly used scientific dating methods, such as carbon dating, have been proven to be completely inaccurate in recent years, sometimes to the extent of 100s of thousands of years.

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    2. Not 100s of thousands of years; at most a hundred years or less. Essentially C-14 long tree-ring sequences are use to check and calibrate radiocarbon dates. Example of calibration: 3700 ± 100 BP. The first number corresponds to the years before present. The second number is the standard deviation or error for the date. It creates a date range of 3600 - 3800 years before present that the sample can fall under. There is also the Formula/Equation to solve Carbon Dating.

      If interested you can read more about it on Nature's Clocks by Doug Macdougall and Radiocarbon Dating by Sheridan Bowman.

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    3. Radiocarbon Dating:

      ASSUMPTION: Carbon decays with no possibility of replenishment and the ratio decreases at a regular rate.

      FACTORS AFFECTING CARBON LEVELS: Cosmic ray intensity, magnetosphere, changes in climate, volcanic eruptions etc..

      PLAYING WITH THE NUMBERS: In order to obtain the most accurate results in carbon dating, CALIBRATION CURVES must be employed.

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  8. Interesting thanks ... on a side note does anyone know why when i click on my links for zioncrimefactory i always get the christogenea homepage ?

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    1. The page has been re-directed on purpose. That is all I can tell you.

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    2. Thanks for your reply Aservant - i know there was an exchange of 'colourful' words on ZCF between ZCF and Bill so i suspected the re-direct is on purpose - to be honest i've just about had enough of all this fighting - its turning into a battle of EGO's and dividing everyone - if people honestly think you are going to overcome by dividing and fighting one another then they are on a hopeless mission - good luck to them but i'm out.

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  9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIHxWLFSE9o

    john, i picked this one up on rense. take a look at jones being nice to morgan. jones just happened to be in katy texas.....man what a setup. it never ends with patriotards.

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  10. Yukon Jack said:

    "Because people like Bill Finck are trying to be in the same status as the Jew, he wants to be special, he believes in the Jewish god and thus beds in the enemies camp."

    As much as you are entitled to your opinion, I disagree with it. William Finck is a good guy. He makes a very strong, logical argument for his beliefs.

    It's amazing what length people will go to argue about religion. Enuff already! It's none of your business what religion a man chooses to believe (or not believe) just as long as he does not impose it upon you. Focus on the most important issue, i.e., our mortal enemy, damn it! After Joo-know-who is defanged, neutered and banished off this planet, you can argue about religion all you like.

    Phil

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  11. Hi John,
    Great show with Bill Finck, it was very informative and you as the show host you held everyone under control.
    Unfortunately you made a stupid comment right at the end to spoil the two hour show! I understand that each race should look after its own, the whites for the whites the blacks for the blacks and the orientals for the orientals. You made a comment that you only want to care for your own race and look after your own community. Nothing wrong with that on the contrary but the point I want to make is that you made a comparison saying that only the white people are good hearted, caring, compassionate, all innate charasteristics of white people only...
    Well I have seen and known non white people (not jews!) who have all those above charasteristics and some who even are living a 'christian' life style more than I can say of some of our white fellow men and women!!
    If they did not show any of those charasteristics I think those races would have been extinct by now from their looting and killing of each other, it they could not care for their own communities. I am only talking about those people living in their own land not the immigrants.
    From the biblical view point the Israelites (whites) have been disobedient to Yahweh from the beginning with Eve and Adam! So there is a problem with our white race and as you said it it is time to unite and follow our Creator's LAW,
    Keep those great shows going John and lets not get too hung up on talking donkeys there is too much work to be done for infighting about irrelevences!

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    1. Hey Eva, maybe I didn't express myself properly. The characteristics I attributed to the White race are applicable to all decent, honorable men and women no matter their race.

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  12. Yukon Jack, so if the jewish race is fiction who are the people who have control of your banking, congress, politics and media? Are they fiction too or just successful business people?
    No, they are a race decended from the edomites/cananites from the levant, well documented in the bible and ancient texts, and doing only what their DNA allows to usurp White civilizations.
    You have a obvious choice, to listen to Bill Finck and do your own research or carry on believing jewish fables and head towardsthe sure destruction of our White race.

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    1. what is the deal with Charles Giuliani?February 7, 2013 at 10:23 AM

      Scott,

      Jews controlling banking are a select club of the Judenrat, or as Charles Giuliani says people of a certain philosophy. They trust each other by being married to interrelated Jewesses. Check the bios of communist leaders. If they were not reliable jews themselves, their wives were. Worked like clockwork. Even in case of Stalin. Who do you think Joe Biden is married to?

      Why is it that in case of so called jewish DNA no one mentions the reference genome. Would it be Golda Meir's or Yasser Arafat's? These two seem to be siblings. Or would it be some Turkic Ashkenazi from Moldovanka, Odessa. The latter are of course White People. A jewish gangster from Moldovanka has nothing in common with Ethiopian/Hamitic jew except for common vocation.

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  13. Just another Hebrew pharaoh

    Egypt today exactly mirrors Bible’s phony Exodus story

    16th February 2011

    By John Kaminski

    http://johnkaminski.info/pages/whats_that_ticking_sound/print/just_another_hebrew_pharaoh.htm

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  14. So we are all Hebrews from Egypt and Phoenicia, and everything civilized originated in the mid-east,Africa,and Asia...but that`s the mainstream history doctrine! John, don`t believe this guy.

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    1. I just posted that link because its interesting and i thought that people in the 'truth movement' were 'free thinkers' that gathered information and research and thought for themselves and draw their own conclusions - where does it say 'believe this' ?

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  15. This guy is incredible. Great work John....

    Purim is coming 23rd - 24th Feb >>> Can you get a show together in order to provide a timely reminder pls??

    Steve.

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  16. what is the deal with Charles Giuliani? looks like this guy turned to to be a real piece of work. i remember him when i first heard him or the rabbinical broadcasting network. he didn't seem to be too jew wise then. i was surprised to see what appeared to be a change taking place on this issue over time, but it appears, he is no friend of white people. whatever. he goes in the garbage file.

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    1. I have been exchanging emails with him regarding the up coming Purim...he's dodged the issue...does not want to discuss it. All the alternative media community was highlighting it...ntg happened....This year no one is highlighting it...will be interesting to see if something happens. Then we'll know about these characters.... John is one of the few blokes i think is totally honest and approaching the issues of truth sincerely. I'm getting the impression that everything else is a game of misdirection.

      Steve

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  17. More harm has been done in the name of religionism, including paganism, than in the name of anything else. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is the Americanism guaranteed me at birth.

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  18. WHY DO YOU NEED A GUN?
    You need a gun because when seconds count - the police are only minutes away.

    And what happens if they don’t show up at all?

    WHY DO YOU NEED A GUN?
    You need a gun because it can protect you and your family in the case of a disruption of Rule of Law.

    Rule of Law is enforced by police forces and courts. Ultimately, Rule of Law is enforced by the Military.

    What happens during a disruption of Rule of Law?
    Chaos happens.
    Group dynamics happen.
    Violence happens.

    WHY DO YOU NEED A STANDARD SIZED MAGAZINE?
    You will NEED a standard sized 30 round magazine if there is a disruption of Rule of Law.

    Large groups of marauders can absorb your puny six shooter.

    Even your gun hating associates will change their tune in the event of a disruption of Rule of Law.

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    What kind of "group dynamics" are taking shape here?


    Is there animosity brewing between certain ethnic groups?


    Why is that?


    Is it possible that Rule of Law could collapse from an intentional action taken by either the government or by the "banks"?




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  19. After visiting the Truth Movement sites for a couple years it is evident that a lot of people are angry. They have every right to be angry because their humanity and dignity has been stripped away from them. Some may even say that my website sounds angry. But because of this anger I think that the International Jews are laughing at us in the West. People post about the violent tendencies of other races and just stir up animosity for White people in our multicultural societies. To me, this is misdirected anger because most non-White people come to the Western countries because of poor economic conditions, famine, and war created by International Jewry and International Jewry allows these non-Whites into the White countries. All of our focus must be directed to the International Jew, because they are the nation-wreckers who have created all the problems that we have in our world. Narrowing down the Jewish Problem as a sole task for White Nationalists is doomed to fail from the start. It is called International Jewry for a reason! To think that Whites alone will solve Jewish hegemony in their societies and the multicultural disaster they allowed to happen on their watch is lunacy! What strict White Nationalists do not realize is that they wish for a pan-White movement with people who do not share the same culture as them, but just because they are White they can unite for a common cause against International Jewry. There is no common culture that people among the West share. The Whites who have lived there for generations have had their culture high jacked by International Jews and replaced with Jews’ Talmudic vision that is making them act like animals. What White Nationalists yearn for does not exist anymore, so there is no use to be a Colorist on this issue that will just alienate more people who are also suffering. This is a worldwide problem and Whites alone cannot solve the problem, and believing so is naive. Harping about how much you love Hitler is not going to help the cause either, and is just a distraction from the empirical evidence we have about Jewish interference in our lives now. I am not talking about discussing philosophical issues with perceived non-Whites, but to set aside our differences for a moment to prevent the destruction of each and every race and culture on Earth, which is what will happen to all of us in our global pluralist society if we do not act now. We must use our strength of numbers to work together and achieve that goal. Once the Jewish power elite have been overthrown, we can repair the damage. Believing that any method other than a unified assault on the Jewish power elite will work makes you a shill or extremely ignorant.

    I also think that trying to wake up Christian Zionists is wasted energy. These Christian Zionists have a Stockholm Syndrome relationship with Jews, and nothing you say about them will change their mind. Not to mention that Christian Identity is flawed because it flips the Jews’ Supremacist view of themselves and claims that non-Jewish people are the chosen ones. What we must understand is what is happening in Gaza and the genocide of Palestinians is the blueprint for how the world will be when International Jewry has total control of every single aspect of our lives on every inch of the globe. Stop fighting with each other, because every single person’s life is at stake.

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    1. Your approach is entirely wrong.

      You conveniently sidestep that massive Affirmative Action issue. As we all know, Affirmative Action and "NON-WHITE PRIVILEGE" is enforced by the jew to the specific detriment of White people.

      I sense that the above writer who sidesteps the Non-White Privilege issue is of mixed race. The glaring holes in the weak argument are tell tale signs of this.

      How about getting your non-White friends to reach out to Whites?

      Have you non-White friends start by REFUSING to accept jewish Non-White Privilege.

      That would be a start.

      Of course, we aren't going to be hold our breath while we wait.....are we "Andre"?

      White people are getting screwed here and non-Whites are piling on.

      Enough!

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    2. Yes, I support the idea that white people should be reaching out to non-whites.

      So...how is this supposed to work?

      We're supposed to explain that they "aren't" actually benefiting directly from jewish bribery, handouts, special rights and special privileges?

      How do you suppose we should proceed? With a comic book?

      Obviously, white people need to be reaching out to other white people. That is where their efforts need to be placed.

      As for CI, is it good for whites? Yes. It is.

      I support ANYTHING that is good for whites.

      Is it good for white children? Then I support it.

      If not - dump it.

      Simple.

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  20. What I would like to ask Mike is what happened to all those tribes in the Northern regions of Europe when the Phoenicians, Scythians, Cimmerians and others moved into Europe? According to the historians there is no record of opposition from these well established Northerners, if in fact they existed at all. So, where did they disappear to and where did they come from? I doubt they just sprang out of the ground naked in the frigid areas of Northern Europe. And, if they were there that long then they developed no technology of note, yet the white tribes of the South quickly developed advanced technologies in only a few thousand years. Certainly, these Northerners, by necessity, should have developed such technology having had a great head start. The hunter/gatherer argument is not sufficient to explain a total lack of development in white tribes. And, one wonders why they remained in the frigid Northern regions when it was far more hospitable in the South since at the time there appear to be no Southerners.

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  21. Thumbs up John. Your good at what you do. Keep it up.

    Been listening to Bill for over a year now. Disagree with a few minor things on his approach but his knowledge is sound. Cant argue with it.

    Another book for the archives.
    The antiquity of the Gaelic language shewing its affinity to Hebrew, Greek, and Latin, superseding the Masoretic points.
    http://archive.org/details/onantiquityofgae00maci

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  22. Part 1 of a two-part response, due to character-count limitations in posting here.

    Many of the so-called anthropological “cultures” which have been discovered represent mere collections – frequently quite small – of stone tools and/or carved bone relics, often found in caves. Seldom do these relics exhibit any truly advanced artistic skill, although there are some notable exceptions. Most of these findings can hardly be said to represent “cultures” in the sense that a historian may use the term.

    There are indeed large gaps of time between the historical civilizations and the more complex of the early artifacts which have been discovered, such as the Magdalenian and/or Aurignacian paintings and carvings – if indeed we accept the postulations connected with carbon dating methods.

    No honest historical narrative relating to modern peoples can be pieced together from any of these archaeological discoveries of early humans, since we know nothing about the people who left these artifacts behind. There is no evidence whatsoever that any of these people are the ancestors of modern historical White Europeans. The so-called “peaceful, matriarchal cultures of 'Old Europe'” are the inventions of New-Age humanists and their profession is just as religious as anything found in the Hebrew Bible.

    Since all concepts of prehistory are in a sense religious, and since the Biblical narrative has been mentioned here already, I will try to summarize a couple of things which I did not want to get into on the program which I did with John.

    The Hebrew word for “day” is just as well interpreted as “age”. Since in Genesis chapter 1 verses 18-19 the sun and the moon were not said to be created until the fourth “day” only a fool would insist on the literal interpretation and take it to be an absolute truth. These “days” may just as well have been eons. Likewise, the religious belief that a flood somehow encompassed the entire planet, rather than “the whole land” (as the Hebrew word for earth is also translated a thousand times or more in the King James Version) is based on just as ridiculous an interpretation.

    The Biblical literature mentions a race of “fallen angels”, as they are called, who corrupted the original Creation and race-mixed with “every kind”. There is no telling how long they and the resulting races were here before us. The advent of Adamic Man, the modern White man, is circa 5500 BC by the Septuagint chronology. The word “eden” simply means “pleasure” in Hebrew, but in the related Akkadian language also described the steppe (see the Epic of Gilgamesh, for example). Any of these early Whites may have wandered outside of the scope of the Biblical narrative. The first of these White men in Europe to be named in the Bible (the Japhethite tribes) arrived as early as 3200 BC by the Septuagint chronology. This is the story represented by the Genesis 10 listing of tribes. Historical Europe begins with the tales of the Trojan War and the Biblical Phoenician ships of Tarshish (Tartessus), in the 12th century BC. Actual writing in Europe begins with the lyric and epic poets of the 7th century BC.

    - William Finck

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  23. Part 2 of a two-part response, due to character-count limitations in posting here.

    Regardless of what one wants to think about the racial characteristics of the earlier prehistoric and non-Biblical peoples of the European Continent, they are not our ancestors. Our own ancient literature, together with evidence of the spread of agriculture and the other devices used to create our modern civilization (our languages, our laws, our myths, even our alphabet) all demonstrate an origin in Mesopotamia and the Levant.

    J.P Mallory, in his book In Search of the Indo-Europeans, does not show a consensus among anthropologists pinpointing an original “Indo-European” homeland. The map in chapter 6 on page 144 is enough to demonstrate as much (I refer to the paperback edition published in 1991 and reprinted in 1996). On the program I cited S.A. Grigoryev as one modern anthropologist who generally agrees with the historical narrative for the settlement of Europe and the origin of the European peoples which I exhibited on the program. See http://csc.ac.ru/news/1998_2/2-11-1.pdf

    The single biggest problem with an honest understanding of early history is the lies of the jews. If one wants to accept those lies concerning the identities of the original Hebrews and Semites, one will never be able to reconcile actual recorded history and archaeology. In truth, the arabs are not Semites, and the word arab itself is a Hebrew word which means mixed. They are mongrels. The jews too are mixed, and their origin and history proves it no matter how much they deny it (see “A Concise Explanation of the Creation of the Jewish People” at http://christogenea.org/content/concise-explanation-creation-jewish-people at Christogenea). Properly identifying the people of the Bible and their role in history is why we like to call what we believe Christian Identity. I espouse that belief because of my studies in archaeology and the Classics, and not in spite of them.

    The single biggest problem with non-CI White nationalists is that they usually take for granted that the jews and their humanist followers are telling the truth in relation to the Bible and the races of Mesopotamia and the Levant, which they are not. The belief in jewish lies gives the jews a credibility which they do not deserve, and denies a large portion of White history from which we have much to learn.

    - William Finck

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  24. Yukon Joke says "Many of us in the patriot movement woke up to Jewish treachery after 911, but we are not racist, we are not exclusionistic, we don't want to live in a regimented fascist or National Socialist society, WE WILL NEVER USE THE WORDS NIGGER OR KIKE. We are speaking out against anyone who is trying to steer this movement into the blind alley, the dead end of racism."

    In other words, Yukon Joke has accepted all of the racial paradigms of inclusion and multiculturalism and diversity that the Jew has foisted upon Whites. Yukon Joke may as well be a Jew himself. Whites can not survive and stay White if they race-mix. The end result would be what race-mixing has created everywhere: Africa or India today, absolute cesspools.

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  25. Good show. I am curious about the topic and open to the possibility that white people may descend from Israel, however, I cannot ascribe to CI's teachings in other areas based on scriptural conviction.

    One thing I heavily disagree with Bill about was at the end of the show. He said that you are a good Christian if you just love your own people and work toward the good of your community. This is not even close. And Hitler was not a Christian in the scriptural sense.

    A Christian is someone who loves God will all his heart, soul, strength, and mind (first and foremost). And a Christian obeys the commandments of God. You can effectively "love your kin" and work toward your community with no love for God. And all of our righteousness is as filthy rags in God's sight according to Isaiah.

    A life that is not dedicated to glorifying God at all costs and in every situation is a life that is at enmity with God.

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  26. Good show. I am curious about the topic and open to the possibility that white people may descend from Israel, however, I cannot ascribe to CI's teachings in other areas based on scriptural conviction.

    One thing I heavily disagree with Bill about was at the end of the show. He said that you are a good Christian if you just love your own people and work toward the good of your community. This is not even close. And Hitler was not a Christian in the scriptural sense.

    A Christian is someone who loves God will all his heart, soul, strength, and mind (first and foremost). And a Christian obeys the commandments of God. You can effectively "love your kin" and work toward your community with no love for God. And all of our righteousness is as filthy rags in God's sight according to Isaiah.

    A life that is not dedicated to glorifying God at all costs and in every situation is a life that is at enmity with God.

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